#21: Buster Brown's 24 Day Adventure: A Story of Hope and Community

This is a very special edition of The Octagon, bringing you the wild story of Buster Brown, the now famous beagle. On a cold February day, Buster went missing into the woods of Stowe while on a routine walk in Kirschner Woods with his owner Erin Daly. As the days went by, the search for Buster broadened. People across Stowe were searching sheds, crawl spaces, garages - and much of the searching was being led by remote viewing specialist Cris Pryce - who described possible locations of Buster with incredible details. Finally after 24 long, cold and snowy days in the woods- Buster was spotted and reunited with his owners. 

This episode will take you on the sometimes heartbreaking but  inspiring journey of Buster Brown. It's the feel good story of the year here in Stowe!

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On a cold February day buster went missing into the woods of Stowe, while on a routine walk in Kirschner Woods with his owner Aaron Daley. As the days went by, the search for Buster Broadened, people across STO were searching sheds, crawl spaces, garages, and much of the searching was being led by remote viewing specialist Chris Price, who described possible locations of Buster with incredible details. Finally, after 24 long, cold and snowy days in the woods, Buster was spotted and reunited with his owners. We were delighted to introduce our guest today, Buster's owner, Aaron Daley. And remote viewing specialist from callous Vermont, Chris Price. They will take us on the sometimes heartbreaking but inspiring journey of Buster Brown. It's the feel good story of the year here in Stowe. Welcome Aaron and Chris. Thank you. Great to have both here. Thank you. Yeah, welcome. I hear some noise in the background. is that Buster walking around? Yeah, that's Buster Brown. He is taking a little trip around the studio today. That's awesome. been great to see him in the flesh. He looks great. Local legend. he does look great. Awesome. we'll just jump right in. Aaron, can you take us back to the day when Buster first went missing? Sure. Thing. He went missing on February 4th and we had a lot of snow and snow. We had a pretty good January right end of January into February and it was pretty snowy. We were in Kirschner Woods. And we were doing our walk that we do. All the time with both my dogs, and he caught a scent and kind of went off into the deep snow, which isn't typical for him.'cause he is short. He's a beagley, he has short legs, but he went off in towards Taber Ridge where the back of the house is on Taber Ridge Road. My other dog came back. I called them both. She came back in five minutes, but he was gone. Like a shot. Yeah. Is that standard for him to bolt off on walks or, I know that can be a dog thing, but didn't know if that was something that usually happened. he's a beagle, So he oftentimes he does go off for a little while, For half an hour or so. but then he'll meet me down at the parking lot, right? So he has gone off a little bit here and there. Sometimes he takes all of our neighbors up on Pinnacle Road. No, he's the mayor of Pinnacle Road and he does his walkabouts, but he typically comes back within a half an hour. So this was really. a unique scenario when he was gone for several hours, Because then it was several days and then several weeks. Yep. So what was going through your mind when he didn't come back? Were you like, all right, this is pretty normal, disappear for a few hours? I went down to the parking lot at Kirschner and I sat in my car and I waited until I had to go pick up my kids and then I had to leave, and then I went to go pick up the kids, brought the kids home, and then came back and did another loop in cursing her when it was dark with my other dog and still not a sign of him. So you go to bed that night, what were those next couple days like? Whew. that night was tough. Matt wasn't home. He was down in Massachusetts. And, I went to sleep and at 4:00 AM I woke up and I thought, I'll just go take a ride in the car. Yeah. So I got in the car at 4:00 AM and by the way, it was negative four degrees out that day. And I went back to Kirschner just to see if he'd maybe come to the end of the trail.'cause a lot of the dog behavior, people say that they come to the place where they were lost. But no sign of them. at that point, did you start making Front Porch forum posts coming people? I didn't start that quite yet. And I hadn't been yet introduced to Chris. we actually did post it on the Ow Lost Pet page and, the Vermont Lost Pets and several people recommended a drone hiring a drone. Yep. So Matt came back from Mass and the next two days we spent, with, two a t Air Ops, and they're out of, Barrington, New Hampshire. So he parked his large. Escalade up at the top of the hill and he sent the drone out. And the drone it looks for the heat of A thermal And it was pretty cool actually,'cause you could see nesting animals that were in there, burrows and things like that. But, we didn't find Buster, we saw a lot of deer. We saw some small animals and other things in their dens, but it, didn't yield any results of finding Buster at all. And we looked in all the areas that we thought he might be. Yeah. I actually went up and met Matt and, the drone guy and was just checking out maps and making some recommendations. it was pretty amazing to see him in action. The technology's pretty awesome. But, and I think they've had a lot of success finding animals, but for some reason, either it was too cold the night before and Buster was hunkered down. But we definitely didn't see any signs of him. So now it's been a few days. You've got the drone, you're starting to reach out to neighbors in the community. Yeah. So we also talked to a specialist in Burlington who tracks and helps find, lost Pets, and she recommended all the practical things. So my husband and I were just going around and doing that kind of searching, and then someone recommended that I reach out to Chris and I thought, I'm feeling really desperate at the moment that, that sounds great. So I did. I called Chris and she actually answered and said, oh, I thought you might call, which is really interesting, I think because I had posted it on Facebook and, someone else in Stowe who had recommended her must have said, Hey Chris, this person might call you. I gave her your number. Great. So Chris, now you get the call and tell us Yes. What happens? how do you start even. On this journey? I get a lot of calls. Okay. So I'm ransacking my mind to remember this specific call. I basically, I ask all the typical questions. Have you, posted this on front Porch Forum? Have you put signs up? All of the regular things? it's a little bit different with every situation. sometimes when somebody calls me, I ask them not to give me a lot of details because first of all, I just wanna say that, yes, I am a remote viewer, but I also am extremely clairvoyant. So that's a lifelong skill that I have. And so what I try to do is see if I can't see the animal. Before they go into, a lot. Yeah. Yeah. And if I can, which I often can, I feel yeah, I think I can help these people. Wow. So that's what, how I do it. And had you helped someone in STO with a pet? I've helped several people in sto. Okay. we had quite a miraculous one. and I think that's the person, Karen g who may have recommended me because it was quite a, that was a five day ordeal. and it ended quite miraculously. With, I wasn't, at the time, I wasn't really using remote viewing mainly for the searches. and I was just getting clairvoyant images for the person. And, I'm trying to remember, I think on the last day I was. Please just give me the picture. And I got a very clear picture of a house, a home, which I don't know, I know sto generally, but not detailed. I described the house and somebody said, that's a house up the street. And they went up there and looked, to no avail. And the owner on the way home, he just happened to look down into the storm drain and there was the cat Wow. in front of the house. Wow. So amazing. Like I said, it's a collaborative effort on many levels. Yeah. I don't have all the answers. I just, I'm a conduit for this information. yeah, absolutely. It's not really about me. so just for our listeners, for a timeline, how many days had Buster been missing? When. Called you called Chris. So we went missing on the 4th of February, and I called Chris on the seventh Okay. Of February days. So we had days, two days. Yeah. It was three days.'cause we three days had the two days with the, the drone. and then I was talking to an animal behaviorist up in Burlington who told me they go into survival mode. I didn't, I don't know if you guys know that, but I guess pets, when they've been missing for a few days or almost a week, they go into sort of a survival mode based on trying to find water, food, and shelter. And so they don't always come when they're called. And so she was giving us tips on how to maybe see him, find him, locate him without. Going and calling for him'cause he wouldn't come to us. Yep. And so then I just started to feel really desperate. How the heck am I gonna find this dog without some kind of other help. And so I called Chris on the 7th of February and then she and I spoke multiple times a day and exchanged emails multiple times a day until we found him on the 28th of February. Yeah, that's amazing. so Chris, could you just explain some of the basics of remote viewing for anybody that's unfamiliar with the process? I can try. Yeah, of course. So just, this is a real general, but remote viewing is a method of jumping through space and time. to get any piece of information about a person, place, thing or event. And it involves projecting one's mind towards, in this case, it was a lost dog. And this is done from. A brain state that's called theta, which you're probably familiar with. We have different levels of our brain cycle at different levels. what is it, beta, alpha is a little bit more relaxed. Alpha is the one when you're watching television, you know the zone out, that's inciting alpha brainwaves. So a highly receptive state, impressionable state remote viewing is done from the place of theta. The brain cycles four to eight times per second. It's very slow. It's that place between waking and sleeping, and everybody's been there. You've been in that weird space where Wow. What is going on? You're, you're, So with my remote viewing the first training that I received was, hypnosis into the brainwaves of theta. And then to be able to self induce into that state, which I do. And that is where you get this information. it's a treasure trove and we all have it. this is a human potential. This is not, I don't say gift, I never use the word gift with this. That is a learned skill, the remote viewing, and anyone can access it. it's developing a relationship with your subconscious. Yep. Very cool. And so specifically for Buster Brown, you get the call from Aaron. How do you get into that state and start to develop some of the images and locations that come to you? I met Erin exactly after I just came out of a five day intensive class with a woman named Birdie Jaworski, who was a very famous remote viewer. she was part of the Stargate program back in the, I think it was the late, it was the seventies and eighties. and she developed this system of remote viewing called trans dimensional mapping, which is the maps that you all saw Aaron shared. and it's a system or methodology where it's based on traditional remote viewing, which used to be called controlled remote viewing. I'm not trained in that, but what it is essentially you are given a set of numbers and that's it. And then you draw an ideogram, which is a scribble. And from that scribble you elicit all of this information. So it's deeply psychic work, very psychic work, but it's, and pretty exact. Did the clues come to you all at once? Did come at randomly No. actually what I would do is, I'm looking at a map right now. I would write the dog's name and do a quick ideogram, and I did that over and over again. these maps could go on for hours. but I find that my mapping is pretty precise, which is, found out is different than a lot of my classmates. I have a really, precision ability here. I can't tell you why. I just do. Yeah. and I think that's why I was able to get these visual images and the most far out thing about this whole thing is that Erin went around and found the drawings, she actually corroborated My impressions, which is, to me that is about the ultimate for a remote viewer is to have somebody do that for you. what are, what were some of the details in those images in the map? Oh, Colors, structures, visual landmarks that we could identify. remember the car we kept saying there were a lot of old cars and that place existed. I think he may have been in that place and I think he moved. But remember the red and brown shed? Yeah. Yeah. Colors. We were really convinced colors are big for me. I'm extremely attuned. I work with color in my healing practice and they're highly informative. so those came in clearly and she was able to identify those places. Yeah. Could you maybe share the six example? Oh, yeah. So I think we were talking about that before the episode that Yeah. One of the nicely of the mappings actually, Chris said to me, I don't know why I keep drawing a six or a g. So you gotta look for a six or a GI don't, I keep seeing that. one of the nests we found that Buster was overnighting in, we believe, the house property was 600. Amazing. Yeah. On Taper Ridge. On Taper Ridge. Exactly. And he was sleeping underneath a, a shed. And when you say nest, was it just bundled up leaves or hay? Yeah, it was leave. It was a lot of leaves underneath and it was, covered over in snow.'cause we got a lot of snow in those couple weeks. So I think that snow acted as an insulator. I actually felt relieved, in retrospect that we had so much snow.'cause it enabled him to get that insulation and be able to sleep a little more warmly at night. It was so cold. Yeah, it was a cold month. It was a cold stretch. But one of the other things, I. I tried to give Chris a map because I was trying to hone in on his potential location. So I gave her a map of Stowe where he went missing, where our house is, where Taper Ridge was. Yep. And then over back, on Kirschner Woods you can dump back out into Brownsville. and then even over into Morrisville and that area, mosque, Glen Falls. Mosque Glen Falls. Exactly. Big Woods. Big Woods for sure. so I gave her a map and I just said, is there any way you can work like this? And I think she's probably thought I was a little nuts that I thought she could become. really, he may be in Kansas drawing little doggy footprints across the map. Here's a map of Kansas just in case. But she did actually, and I don't know if you remember this, Chris, but you said I'm getting, the direction I'm getting is towards Sunset Rock. And then you had drawn that brown shed with the red trim. So I actually reached out to people that I know in the community. I reached out to McKee McDonald. Yeah.'cause he's a real estate agent. Matt actually reached out to, the CLER Building Company because we thought maybe he was on the property of that touchstone. because that's right down the hill from on Taber Hill, and it's not far from Sunset Rock. So Matt hoofed it around that property quite a bit. Yeah. and people were so nice to us, So that property, it has a big gate and you have to press the button and someone remote asking what do you want? And Matt asked him, can we, can I go look on your property? And so basically all the maps that, that Chris drew throughout the process. We would try to identify those locations and go and look whether it was me or whether it was Matt. Yeah. another visual, I know you were asking about the visuals. It was upside down winter stored canoes. Yep. I remember that. And yeah, at the end of Tabor Ridge, there's a house on the left hand side, that has a few of those. So we do believe he spent a lot of time in that Tabor Ridge area trying to backtrack and circling. and Chris wrote that a lot. He's circling around. He's looking for you. He is looking for you. Which ultimately made us not give up. Yeah, exactly. so the days are going on, you've got these maps and you're getting the community involved. What were some of the other ways you tried to attract Buster? I know there was some bacon being cooked there in the wild. yeah. That's funny. I could smell that. we actually had one physical sighting, so that's the crazy part about the full 24 days. The only physical sighting we had was a by a Percy plow driver. And he couldn't remember exactly the day we think it was. Maybe on the February 11th. So now I've been working with Chris for a few days. We believe it was that day, but we didn't actually talk to him till a week later So now we thought maybe he's in the North Hollow area, which anybody you know that's familiar with the Hollow, it actually North Hollow connects right up onto Taber Hill, right? Through Brian Road. It's pretty close as far as the crow flies. Exactly. And actually, the snow was really deep, but there are definitely ways that he could get from there and I think he was circling trying to find us. So he was coming down into North Hollow, so he was seen in North Hollow. So then at that point. Matt started to do things like cook bacon outside and we actually tried to set a, have a heart trap. So we actually borrowed that from someone else in sto. put it up on front porch form, and we had, six or seven offers. Hey, I have one come over and get it. I'm happy to drop it off. The community was really amazing. So Matt cooked bacon. He also set the, have a heart trap. We put hot dogs in there and over by attracting every animal in the North Hollow area. and we had trail cams too, right? So we had set up trail cams, we borrowed those from people in the community and several people that live along North Hollow were helping, they were looking in their area and on their properties and also, that berry farm there on North Hollow. Yep. The sudo Kerry Sudo, they were really helpful and told us we can hike wherever. Yeah. we need to, and it's funny because that area you actually crossed the river there, and you can actually make it to Pinnacle Road right from that property. So Warren Hill Road actually connects right over to where we live on Pinnacle Road, which is crazy. So if the snow weren't deep, we kept thinking, oh, he'd make it home. Yeah. But it just was so snowy and it was too deep for him. Yeah. So processes going on, you're implementing all these different strategies. were there moments where you lost hope? Oh my goodness. Remember one day I called Chris. And I said, A girlfriend thought she had a vision that he might have been hit by a plow. I said, do, I was desperate at this point. And I said to her, I said, do you get any of that in what you're doing? Do you see any of that? And how did you respond to that? I said, I've learned that it's not especially helpful when you tap into a lot of different, sources of information. Not that I need to be the one in this situation, I just felt, I'm highly empathetic, so I'm really connecting with the person I'm helping. I just felt like it wasn't really a helpful comment. Yeah. I was not getting that, and I am most certainly going to go with my own impressions at this point. Yeah. your own intuition. Yeah. I've been doing it long enough, I felt badly about that it goes back to early point too, of, when somebody first brings up a situation, you don't want too much information. Because that can skew your process. Because it's a highly emotional situation. These are our family members, and I, that's the way I look at it. So the, so to have someone say to you, oh, I think he got hit by a truck. there's no way to corroborate that, really. You did say to me though, I'm getting energetic and I'm getting movement and you said, I, you drew that circle. you said you were getting life, like it was a whole circle or something. okay. So there are about five sort of archetypal ideograms that remote viewers draw. some represent water, some structure, mountains. there's an energetic one and that's probably it. And then there's also a sentient one, which is a circle. I think that's what I would say. That's the one. Yeah. So I was referring to the ideogram and I was getting whole circles in my interpretation. That's a sentient being meaning it's alive. And many remote viewers work on that. with that. Definition. So that's what I think you're talking about. how many different maps are you refining maps or are you drawing completely new maps? I started over every day. Every day. Every day she would, Erin would call me, did you make a map yet? But I, and I said, no, but I know I will. She's I just woke up, we're, we'll get to that. Literally every day I called her, no. Oh, so every day was a new map? Yeah, every day was a new map. and it was interesting because I had just taken this intensive course with this woman who was very famous and, I just dove right into it, map every single day. And then I was doing my homework with other maps during the day too. So it was perfect timing and, the way that goes, it was just all of it. Yeah. And what, a map each day. Were there certain themes on each map? you talked about. The canoes and different sheds, were there certain themes were they pretty different every day? the commonalities were, and what I really wanted to see was, the viability of the dog. Okay. And I'm seeing that with the circles and my ideograms. Now I'm doing these I ideograms really quickly because you don't want to think it's, this is your subconscious, you're tapping to Totally. You're really in remote viewing. our analytical mind wants to hurry up and just hundred percent come to conclusion. So this is a process and there are many different methods to try to sideline that. And drawing is one of'em. and I often draw with my non-dominant hand, which taps into the right side of your brain, which is the creative side. So commonality, I don't know. I've looked for energy. signs at this point. So cold this month. Yeah. I've. It was so cold. I wanted to see that. So I did see those, consistently and that made me feel good. you sent me an email and I want to read part of it. You said, I feel his signal is weakened and consider the injury or sore paw leg a factor in his ability to get around. And you said, I'm deep diving into Clairvoyantly looking at this, and I'm showing the impression of something radiating from the center, a starlike image, then various colors. I do see a life force emanation, but the signal is weak. Wow. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. It's powerful. And then, but it continues, which is even more amazing. She wrote, he's trying to telepathically reach out animals, do this. And then you told me that one night your horse fell over a bank and he came to you. Which is amazing. Yeah. I learned my lesson. I didn't get up, I didn't go look. So believe me when I tell you that, I listen now. Yeah. Yeah. How much of what you do you get from just communicating with Aaron? A lot. A lot. A lot. I'm learning that the empathetic connection with the owner, I feel it really influences a positive outcome. And I have a Facebook page for what it's worth. It's just what I have and I've taken a lot of time to, to try to explain to people that it's important that you stay in contact with me because that connection Seems to keep the lines open, somehow, yeah. I don't really have the words to describe it, but, it's important. And I have people fall off, they get tired of it. And. and when they do that, I don't call people. I really feel like you need to meet me. Yep. it's a collaborative effort. It always is. Does it take a lot of energy to, to I was, I'm just thinking through this, you must be tired after this. Good. Yes. Ready for a nap. Absolutely. And you know what else it burns calories. look at me. I am serious. I am starving. It makes you starve and it's so high energy. it's, you're consuming a lot of energy. Yeah. Very tired. Diet, but in a new diet, good new diet phrase. I need the Buster Brown 24 day or the Yeah. Two different Chris mapping diet. One of those. so I do have to ask, I know Buster lost a lot of weight on this journey. He did. Did Matt lose a lot of weight? I don't know. Maybe bacon. He, somebody been, you say he was hiking around, Yeah. He was doing a lot of, yeah, you're right. But he did have a couple beers when he was cooking the bacon. That's, so maybe that offset all the hiking. It was early in the morning. some of those mornings. She said, we talked early in the morning. She said, yeah. Matt was out there at it was crazy. It crazy. Oh. I'm like, wow. What an amazing husband. But yeah. But it sounds like you, you picked up on that just their dedication to Busler and the love and passion the dog picks up. It's a connection. Yeah. The, I feel it from the dog and Animals are so highly attuned. it's unbelievable. so we saw the Front Porch Forum posts and Facebook. the whole Stoke community started rallying around Buster. I don't know, tell us about the Stoke community. it's funny because I think when I first got the coup, the first couple maps from Chris, I thought, oh my God, this could be anywhere in sto, like a brown shed with red, trim a barn. Yes. I'm thinking, oh my God, how am I, I have Front Porch Forum. I'm gonna go out and just ask people, do you know of a property that has these five things? And I would list out all the descriptions that she had done. And then I'd get all these emails from different people, Hey, have you tried this property? Have you looked at this property? Hey, I know about this one over here. and we would divide and conquer Matt and I in the mornings. We'd say, okay, I'm gonna go do this. You go do that. And we'd go and look. And then in the afternoon I'd send an email to Chris and say, okay, this is what we found. Yeah. Knowing that the next morning she would do another map and I think he was moving a lot, Some of the times I think you would say to me, he's hunkered down now he's trying to conserve energy. And you said he's under something. Remember you kept saying a flat surface. And he's under So I'd ask people in sto, can you look under your steps? Can you look under your shed? Can you look in your barn? and each map had a different level of specifics. And images. We'll be right back after hearing from one of our sponsors. Still living. Majestic Mount Mansfield embodies the spirit of Stowe heritage. And we're proud to present the Octagon Podcast, a true reflection of our amazing community. Stowe Living is honored to sponsor this podcast. We're helping you live your best life daily with stunning furniture, unique design, kitchenwares, thoughtful gifts sourced from around the world. Thank you Stowe for your continued support of Stowe Living and the Octagon Podcast. You talked about Buster going in a survival mode. it is amazing for 24 days. He was only spotted once during the day. So he's moving around at night, I'm assuming, just because that survival mode. I think so. That felt safer at night to be moving around. Originally told us that he's moving our, because that's amazing. It's really amazing for that many days to never be spotted. But I, what I will tell you, they were at odds with each other. So the animal behaviorists in Burlington and the efforts that Chris and I were doing we're at odds with one another. The reason is because it became an active search. Every time Chris gave us other, visuals or places to go look where the person, the animal behaviorist said, he's not gonna come to you. You're probably pushing him outside the perimeter. You shouldn't be actively looking for him. You need to hang back. Hang posters and wait for him to be spotted. And if anybody that knows Matt and I, that's really not our personalities. We go for it had to, we were going for it. And everybody knew. Everybody knew about Buster. So it was gonna get spotted. He was gonna get spotted. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So you're let's implement both. Yeah. And we and we did a lot of the practical things that the animal behaviors was telling us to do. but I was working with Chris every single day, multiple times a day. And I so appreciate the help and the support, because I don't think I could have gone all those days without that kind of support about the hope that he's still out there. Yeah, that's right. Remember the angel that you drew? So one day, and I posted it on from Porsche Forum, on one of the maps, Chris drew a big blue angel, and we'll have to show you guys the picture of it. And Buster Brown was tiny on the bottom, and he had his orange vest on. And above him was this giant angel and it had yellow light emanating from it. That's amazing. And it said to scale, so Buster Brown was tiny and this giant angel was huge. Wow. So much. It really made me, gave me so much comfort. Yeah. Oh good. I wanna thank you too, because I know that you went outside of your belief system bubble to trust me. And, I really recognize that. And it's a very mutual Growth for both of us. it was just totally really cool experience. Me too. I agree.'cause I, I would, I think at first I thought I was crazy. Am I crazy? I'm going through this every day, And I'm maybe he's gone. It's already been 20 days. He's probably gone and then I'd get this. And you'd say you have to listen to your instincts. if you feel like he's not gone, he is not gone. we gotta keep doing it. Yeah. I'd also say it's been a really cool experience for the community myself, include. I think, the state of, whatever you wanna get into the country, the world, the divisiveness, I think it's given Yeah. The di device, it's given a lot of people just hope. I texted my mother who's had a challenging winter for a variety of reasons, and it just made her day, like I texted her, she's I'm calling you to hear about what's, and it's just, it's been a really inspiring thing for many people. Yeah. Many people. And I, I totally recognize that. And I thought, wow. it's such a divisive Climate that we're in. But look, and because you shared the maps, I didn't even know she was sharing my maps until much later. But look what it did. it. It proves that we can unify in our hearts when it comes to hundred percent to something, And I was hopeful. It was great. It's huge. that you involved your whole community, it really was so receptive and I never would've guessed'cause I work alone, and I didn't expect it. But yeah. I don't know if Joey Davis. Oh yeah, I know him very well. Yeah. So he really helped Matt too. he's a hunter. And he knows, a lot about the woods around here. And he kept saying, he's not dead. but beagles are really crafty. So that was re also reinforcing what Chris was saying. I'm no, I know he is not Dick Chris said he good guy to connect with. Yeah. In that situation. But I also, and Ted, you and I had a little Little venture out into the woods to set up a trail cam. Yeah. I dunno if you knew that, Mike. I did know that did, yeah. No, we had a little session on the side of the road. Ultimately they're wild animals. Yeah. I know he's been sitting on the couch eating food for many years, but in his core, he's still a wild animal. And they can shift into that sense once they're Yeah. Out in the wild. what do you suppose the typical day for Buster was outta those 24? Yes. you think he was sleeping during the day? Good question. Moving at night, trying to find you. Yes. And then eventually stopped trying to find you because he's now in survival mode. Like it depended. Yeah. Some days, like Chris would say he's hunkered down today'cause it was snowing a lot or it was really cold. Or remember the day it was really windy. Yeah. And you said, I see really big, snow drifts happening. And he's hiding though. He is warm and you actually said to me he's warm. But then there were other days where you said he's moving, he's active, he's nose to the ground. And so I think he was trying to find us. He just couldn't figure out. Where we work that.'cause typically when we'd go to Kirshner from Pinnacle, we'd drive, right? So then I started to think, oh, I really need to hang some sheets. I took our bedsheets off one morning and they had a hole in'em and I was oh, I'm gonna throw these out. And I thought, oh, I'll cut'em up into little pieces and tie bedsheets all along, all the way from cursor to our house. And I just finished doing that, probably this kismet, but literally just finished doing it. Drove into the driveway and Matt said, turn around. You gotta go pick up Buster. They found Buster. So tell us about that moment. I actually said to Matt, are you kidding me? And I was I just walked from with the sheets and with barbecue sauce. By the way. I was dripping barbecue sauce with my friend Kristen Langan, who was a ride instructor. She came with me and we were dribbling barbecue sauce and hanging sheets. It's probably what, a mile and a half? but anyway, I said, are you kidding me? And he said, I wouldn't kid about that. So I turned around and got back in the car and I think we should have Chris talk about that map that she did that day. But I drove definitely over to the Ginsburg's house on Tabor Hill. They sit right at the top of Tabor Hill. Beautiful, property and home. And interestingly, we had been to that home three or four times. And I told him this when I picked up Buster. I said, we've been in the back of your property, poking around and thought Matt saw, his, Footprints and Matt had hoofed it between, you can actually connect from the GI Ginsburg's property over into Hollow view. Yeah. So Matt actually hoofed it one day all the way through there.'cause he thought he saw dog prints and they apparently have a lien too. Oh. In the yard in the area. And Chris had that would check out. She had talked about the lean too. She said he's in some kind of shelter. That's, and you had drawn something similar to that. Yeah, so then we had walked back there a few times, but never saw him. So they had called and said he was just in their backyard, just sitting in the backyard, just cruising, I don't know. Sniffing, Snook sniffing. Yeah. I don't know. And they got went out and they said Buster Brown called to him and he came right to them. Which is really Oh, he came right to'em. Yeah. Which is against what the, Yeah, he came right to them. So he would, maybe he was done with his journey. maybe the jokes on Chris and I we did, and Matt, because we did all this work. Buster Fest 24 was over Pete Ginsburg. We gotta give Pete a shout out. Yeah. Ginsburg. Yeah. And that family, they were so sweet.'cause I was shaking when I went to pick up Buster and they gave me big hugs and Buster was 20 pounds lighter, so he was 42 pounds when he went lost. And he was 20 pounds lighter. Wow. But he still had his orange vest on, but it was around his neck like a bib. And when he saw you, was he happy, excited, tell us about his emotion. It was so sweet. He actually, I crouched down to see him and he pushed himself right into my underarm where, obviously dogs. Smell really strong, especially a beagle. and he pushed himself right into my underarm and stomach area.'cause he just was oh, thank God. Yeah. Yeah. But healthy, yeah, healthy just, a little bit of stomach ailments, right? Yeah. But we took him to see Greg Goodson, who fixed him up and gave him antibiotics and he was great after that. But the map that Chris Drew, I want Chris to you to talk about. Yeah, let's talk about that. The final map. Yeah, the final map. Did the, was it that day? The map that morning. Okay. I think we should look at it. We have these guys. Look at it. It's really, we got all the maps in the studio right now. It's happy. So here it is. That's the Ginsburg's house. So one of the things I noticed on this map when she drew it is. Most of the other structures she drew, along the journey. Didn't have yellow light, warm yellow light coming out, which was made me think it was evening. And people were home and you kept writing. The people are home. They're home. See ski trail there. They do have Nordic ski trails that They do? Yes. Yep. Kirchner, no. Ginsburg's Gin Ginsburg's. They do? Yes. Yeah. That's incredible. so I often get, because it's a projection of consciousness. I have a bird's eye view and I'm looking down at the ground and it takes me a while to figure out. And I think that goes on here. You know what? What I think was the most amazing thing on this map for me as the viewer, was this step that came through and this was clairvoyance, imagery, rings, holding it together. This is all metaphorical stuff. Binder, and then turn the page. the story was over. The story was over. Turn the page, the story was over. but I had no way of really interpreting that when I did it. So it's so interesting, isn't it? And this I identified as, you know those right along crossroad? Those like bushes or trees that are right along that, yeah. Crossroads. Crossroads right there on the map. Cross road. Yeah. And those are pretty notable. it's a notable tree line. It really is pretty thick. So when you look at the map, it's easier in retrospect to look back and say, oh my God, these are all the things. As well. I have to share my story. When I heard the prosperous back, I was playing hockey on a Friday night with Matt. Matt was late initially. And then I was talking to Brian Nielsen and he's oh yeah, Matt's on the way. He found his dog. And I was just floored full on hug and hockey equipment. It was just, I was blown away. And then the high cup team got the name, the lost dogs. Did you know that Chris? So Matt plays a local, hockey tournament. Okay. That happened the weekend after we found Buster, and they named their team the lost dogs. So now that some time has passed, what does the whole experience mean to you, Aaron? how does it change your perspective on the community? Perseverance or even the bond with the dog? So first of all, I would say the community, I think I was just so warmed by, the outreach, the encouragement, the willingness to help. people that I. don't know very well said, Hey, I'm gonna go and look. I have a half an hour I'm gonna go hike in these woods because, I don't know if you've looked, but I'm gonna go there after I pick up my kids today. I am gonna go take a look at my neighbor's property.'cause they have a lot of the visuals that Chris had drawn. So just the outpouring of support, encouragement, offers to help. I think that was amazing, especially in this current environment, like we talked about. I think from a closeness to the dog, I think like Chris told you, she would always first start with Buster himself and the fact that he was feeling our support and our love and he wanted to find us so much. Yeah. I had a new feeling that I didn't realize I was so connected to my pets as much, or my children even as much as you're connected on different levels that you don't even feel in touch with. and so I have a new appreciation for that. Yeah. I also have a a new understanding of different skills Yeah. That people have, like the Chris,'cause it blew my mind frankly, most of the time. and it gave me so much comfort and ability to persevere and keep going through the looking for him. Yeah. Whereas I think I've, a lot of days I felt discouraged and I think if I hadn't had the kind of work that Chris does to support me, I don't know if I would've kept going. Yeah. So I think I might've looked at this kind of work more critically Prior to this, but now I understand it's a really amazing skill and, it can be used for so many different things. and I guess Chris will ask you the same question, what has this experience meant to you? how has it impacted you? it's, built my confidence a lot. it's just every situation is unique. this was the longest search I've ever done. Okay. so it's really encouraging, reinforces, my trust in my intuition and it's something that builds over time. It's not something you can just turn off and on, it's it was just the whole thing and their commitment to the dog and the fact that she shared it with the community, which I had no idea. And that I had a whole town of people following my map. Yeah. What more can I say? mind blown. really appreciate it. And we both agree. What a journey. What a journey. Unbelievable. Really. So Chris, let's talk a little bit about remote viewing. How did you get into remote viewing? At some point I started to think about it, and I think I was actually talking to, my functional doctor about it, and he said, you should go to the Monroe Institute, which was is a place that teaches it. And I didn't, and I continued to search for teacher for a long time. And then I finally was put in touch with, my first teacher, and it's a course that I've studied for coming up nine years. it's, called the Portal and the developer of the course is, a guy named Gerald O'Donnell, and the acronym for his business is Rari Academy of Remote Viewing and Influencing. And, the foundation of that work is hypnosis and. using guided imagery and hypnosis to induce that fade, a brain state that I talked about before, and to be able to self induce into it. And it's ex it's an incredible course. It's extremely healing. And, the meditation is extremely deep and it was a fantastic foundation for me for this work. that's how I got into it and I still practice it. And then I became interested in doing operative work with law enforcement to use these skills and had an opportunity to do so. And, so I wanted to learn more, a different method, and I found out about this woman named Birdie Jaworski, which is not her real name. It's PR Cas is a real name, very famous. You can look it up. She's a teacher. She's teaching actively again, and she's the one with a trans dimensional mapping. So I just started that, a few months ago? So I incorporate everything. my inherent clairvoyance skills are big, in this work. I'm finding, through the mapping that I'm developing, I'm clear everything. I get information through all those clears, like clear audience hearing, clear, Clear cognizance, which is just a knowing, this mapping technique is bringing out the clear audience, which is very interesting to me. one of the days that I was mapping for Buster, I kept hearing wind and I'm is that my furnace? and I kept. Turning around and trying to identify it in my house, and it wasn't, it was coming from within. I thought that this is cool. so did you just have it growing up? Did you just think I've got this innate skill where I'm, I had it my whole life. I found my cat, when I was a kid. Okay. I went in the bathroom and closed the door and I just did it. I don't know. Yeah. I don't have the answers, but I, it's a human potential. I don't, I don't like to make it like it's a gift. I don't ever say that. it's a skill and it's one, that you can refine. what factors are important for you to get into those states? it doesn't really matter At this point. I. Can get in the zone. it's self induction. It's through hypnosis. so I can tap into it at will. And that as a child, I couldn't. Yeah. I could not do that. It would be random. but now it's at my fingertips. I can do it. Do you think practice, think anyone could develop the skills? So you, do you believe in that? I believe that anyone can learn to remote view. I don't know about the clairvoyance, but I think we all have, it's part of human potential. Nothing that can be, verified scientifically, but then you think about our ancestors and how they survived. it's ancestral, abilities that we've, that have been honed out of us, through our culture and upbringing. Do you feel that pets give off a different energy than humans? ha have you done remote viewing for, missing persons cases? Yes. Yeah. Yes. And bodies, has that been a different, or, it's different. Especially when you're looking for bodies because there's no viable energy. So that's a different process. It involves, vectoring in to a location, and the way that's done is a viewer will try to identify a prominent landmark to the west, to all four directions, and then you can vector into the spot. So it's different. Yeah. I hope to do more of that. I really feel like I should be helping. for me, the skill is about being useful. you're probably not aware of it, but there's a lot of it on the internet where it's very unregulated. Anybody can give themselves a title. and often there's really not a lot to back it up. I try really hard to separate my work from that because unfortunately there's a lot of grift. Yeah. and it's predatory, especially in a situation like this. and I know that you had somebody contact you. I did. Yeah. outside of, I would never do, I don't do that. they made an effort to, oh, we're doing this pro bono, and then if we find the dog, and then eventually they ended up, you said, I think you became really intuitive throughout this process because you said they're using your same. Words, and I'm posting your map, so I feel they're just reiterating what you already said. Yeah. It almost seemed like they were AIing me. Oh, wow. Like on email ai, it felt lactating. it did feel like that a little bit. So I yeah. Then after Chris said, there's a lot of fakers out there, just be careful. what would you say to skeptics of remote viewing? there's gotta be, there's gotta be a lot of skeptics. There's a lot of skeptics in everything for everything. But I say, my work speaks for itself. Yeah. I don't sweat it. I don't feel the need to defend it. we'll just let it be, I would say it gave me comfort through the process. And so even if none of the other, like her perfect drawing of the Ginsburg's house And all these other things weren't true and they were right. the drawing on that last day was just so exact to where we found him. but even if those things hadn't been the case, I think what it did was it gave me comfort throughout the process. Yeah. And it didn't allow me to give up. And then I, and I felt like he was alive. And that's, I think, was so valuable to me. Alright, we're gonna move into just some brief, rapid fire questions. Just some fun little questions to ask. all right. For Aaron, what's the first thing you said to Buster when he got home? oh, buddy, I'm so happy to see you come to Mama. All right. You're so skinny. That was probably the second thing. One word to describe Buster's personality. he's adventurous, I would say. Yeah. Clearly. Yeah. If Buster could have a theme song, what would that be? That's a tough one too. Um. Hit the road, Jack. No, no, no, no. Is Buster a mountain dog or a couch potato? I'd have to answer Mountain dog. Now, if Buster could talk, what would be the first thing you'd ask him? Where were you That whole time? Yep. It would be fascinating to know. And were you scared at night? Yeah. Did you get any rest? What did you eat? Did you try to eat something'cause there's, people have a lot of compost now that Vermont have. I was wondering that too, what he was he doing like wild foraging? Yeah. Yeah. his nose was really. Cut up when we, found him. That was, those were his two things. He had a belly ache and his nose was all peeled skin. But Chris had said he is nose to the ground. Nose to the ground. Yeah. And he's looking. So that could have been why, but also he could have been foraging for food. Yep. And making his nests. Exactly. All right, for Chris, let's do some rapid fire questions. The strangest thing you've ever remote viewed? Probably the searches for the bodies. Live bodies or dead bodies. The dead bodies. Dead bodies. Yeah. That's pretty strange. If you could remote view anything in history, what would it be? I don't know. But you can remote view anything in any time in space and time. Anything maybe the assassination of JFK, maybe I would want to do that, but I don't have the skill. you could draw a map. Yeah. One of my homework assignments that ended up being the results of the 2024 election. I have the map, so I ended up mapping this isn't good. extreme natural disasters. And I was really upset after mapping that. And then when I saw what the target was, I'm perhaps that means within this, person's tenure as president, like in that timeframe. Yeah. It can be that general. yeah. And we do have a rapid fire question for Buster. Were you actually lost or did you just need some me time? He might've, but I will tell you this. When he came back from from the woods, there was a balance of power upset between him and Riley. You guys know Riley? She was very, she's very alpha to him and he always was her sidekick. And that dynamic was interesting. The first week he would do some weird stuff to her and try to steal her food. He humped her a couple times, which is a little bit weird. Wow. Buster the wild. I know. He was Hey, I'm a street dog now. Dominance. That's great. So yeah, there was a balance of power struggle in the house for sure. What's next for Buster Parades? Adventures, special treats, I don't know if you know this, but he was in the same Patty's Day parade right here in sto, which was pretty special. And he's gonna be in the 4th of July parade, I think. The Moscow Parade. he was nominated for the select board. that's right. Nominated for select board. That's funny. Named of the Hy Cup hockey team. Yeah. Yeah. So there's more to come for him too, I'm sure. That's right. And he was a unifying force. Yes. And he showed everybody Sure did that despite, our differences, we can unite in the heart and that's what this was. Yeah, absolutely. That maybe was his mission. Yeah. Yep. Such a great story. Absolutely. Chris, thanks Aaron and Chris. Yeah. Thank you so much you for having us through. Thanks. Appreciate it. Hope you enjoyed that episode of the Octagon Podcast. Remember to like us on Instagram and subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. See you next time.