Season 2: #8 Jackie Henderson and Carter Getty: Stowe High School Seniors and Reflections On Growing Up In Stowe

This week we welcomed Jackie Henderson and Carter Getty into the Octagon Studio. Jackie and Carter are both Seniors at Stowe High School and provide a unique perspective on what it's like to grow up in Stowe. We explore their time in this unique community, working their way through the school system, athletic endeavors and even dating! We are excited to present this fresh perspective on all things Stowe.

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Union Bank is a proud supporter of the Octagon Podcast, as well as many fantastic community oriented endeavors such as the STO Trails Partnership, the Vermont Ski and Snowboard Museum, and the STO Land Trust to name a few of the over 200 nonprofits they work with. To learn more, go to ub local.com. Welcome listeners to the Octagon Podcast, where we explore the stories, people, and places that make Dover Vermont so legendary. I'm your host, Mike Carey, joined by my co-host Ted Thorndyke. We are excited to introduce our guest today, Jackie Henderson and Carter Getty, two Stowe High School seniors. We're gonna talk about growing up in Stowe Dating School, and what's next after senior year. Welcome Jackie and Carter. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks so much for coming on. You're our youngest guest to date. Yep. We were just talking about that. Yeah. Who is the other younger? Tegan Reeves. Tegan. Yeah. Didn't know if there was anybody. Buster Brown. How old's Buster Brown. Nice stuff. Like 15. 15. Yeah. you got en Indeed. Yeah. Thanks for joining us guys. Yeah. This is gonna be fun. So maybe just can you each introduce yourselves, what you're into, what's next after graduation? I'm Jackie. I've lived in STO since I was seven, and I like to draw, I like to play hockey, I like to ski, and I plan on going away for college. Nice. where are you going? My first choice right now is the University of Utah. That's a good choice. Yeah. But applications just went in, right? Yeah. All my applications November 1st. All right. And a soccer player I believe too, right? Yeah. I'm a soccer player in the newspaper, Nice. And Carter. All right. I'm Carter Getty. My hobbies include playing lacrosse, photography, skiing, all that stuff. I was born and raised in sto, so I've been here my whole life. And then I do plan on leaving for college. Yeah. Nice. What's your first choice at this point? my number one school right now is Johns Hopkins. So you're in your senior year, been there for a couple months. how's it going? how does it feel or are you nervous about the next step or just trying to be present and enjoy that last year of high school here at Stowe? we're just trying to enjoy the last bit we have left, just like complete my senior life, Complete the high school. ended off with a bang, all that stuff. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. It feels weird that yeah, I don't have to come back into this school next year. And how it's one of those things you always look forward to your senior year. You'll say, oh, I'll do that my senior year. I can't wait for my senior year. But the second it gets there, you can't believe it. It doesn't feel like an actual thing. Yeah. So are you still trying in class or are you oh, I get my applications in, I'm there. scared to answer just in case my mom's listening, but I have been trying classes still. Yeah. Yeah. You still have to put a little effort in, right? Yeah. Still waiting for application results and then we could ease all together. Yeah. Takes that deep breath. Exactly. And you're probably getting psyched for lacrosse season. Yeah. That's spring sport, right? Yep. Nice. I'm really excited for that. I've been on the team all four years, been a starter since freshman year, so Awesome. I've built a family with them that's. Those are my brothers out there. yeah. What about maybe a tryout at Johns Hopkins? Oh, that's maybe that's big time, right? Johns Hopkins. Lacrosse is big time. Yeah, big time lacrosse. Let's hope they need a goalie. Hopefully. Nice. I assume they probably have a club team too. That's probably amazing. Yeah, they probably have a club team as well. the main team in general is like one of the best in the country, so walking on might not be that easy, but I could try. Yeah. growing up in Stowe, what would you say is the biggest flex for being a OW kid? Hey, I live by the mountain, or, you know what, tough one, huh? yeah. Is there a flex for being a stow kid or not really? I would say there's good things and bad things. Like in sports, sometimes you get a reputation playing hockey. The past couple of years we've Driven down to Brattleboro and these other places, and I got called Daddy's money a lot. Oh wow. And so there's stuff like that. But there's also the fact where it's just a beautiful town and it's considered a tourist town, so that's nice. Yeah. Yeah, I remember some comments when I was playing sports. Oh yeah. The Gold Town. Yep, exactly. getting chirped from the stands. All right. Let's talk about dating. Dating in a town where everyone knows everyone. Does that even work? Does anyone even date at sto? It's, it gets complicated. There's a lot of crisscross that can be difficult. And I feel like dating inside of your grade is difficult.'cause you've known those kids for so long. Yeah. Like I've been here since first grade and it just seems weird, That you know'em so well, right? Yeah. Yeah. you went to the prom with. my, cousin's son Elliot from Massachusetts. I did. That's a good, that's a good one, Just get outta ow and somewhere else branching out. Exactly. That was really fun. Yeah. Yeah. dating in STO is definitely super interesting, you could say Unique experience. Yeah. I've known everyone in my grade my entire life. Yeah. So there're, they're almost siblings at this point. Yeah. Yeah, dating in grade is like super difficult. There's maybe one or two couples in our whole senior class. Oh, wow. So it's usually grade up or grade down, yeah. Got it. I didn't think about that. would you guys ever go on a date to the Matterhorn, or is that just a parent thing? No. Yeah, I go on dates to the Matterhorn, my boyfriend. Yeah. Where do you go for a date? where do you go on a date? And I've actually gone to the Matterhorn twice. All right. It's funny'cause I have a picture of my dad hanging from the rafters with you, Mike. Yeah. How have I not seen this? I it's, can you, I, I need that picture. I'll send it to you. Thank you. Amazing. Yeah. Just anywhere. Really. Yeah, anywhere. Just typical places. Yeah. Matterhorn, the bench, stock bonds, just anywhere. Yeah. So you must be looking forward then to going to college, so a much bigger environment. Lots more kids. Kids won't know you. You can reinvent yourself a little bit. And date. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What would you say is the biggest difference in dating? Compared to maybe your parents' generation, when talking to them or you see how your parents met. Is it significantly different now? a lot of it is social media. Yeah. That's the biggest difference is like being able to reach out and start talking to people initially, like on Instagram or Snapchat, like wherever you want to initially start texting people. A lot of those relationships start online now. Yep. Yeah. And do you think that's a good or a bad thing, or maybe just indifferent? I would say it's like a different thing. Yeah. I wouldn't say if it's good or bad. yeah. you just don't really get to know the person. Like you don't know a lot of context to them. Yeah. Once you start texting them online first. Yeah. Like you don't have the prerequisite knowledge of knowing who they are in person. when you meet someone in person, it's you get to know more about them a lot quicker. Yeah. But when you text online, it's not really like that. Yeah. And then it can go on for months. Yeah, you still haven't met up yet, so probably depends on how you utilize it. it could be a great thing to connect or meet somebody, but Pros and cons, I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I think that's enough about dating. Let's talk about school. they got rid of cell phones in school, right? This year. They did? Yeah. How's that? I'm attention deficit, so I lose my phone now. I lost it today. Actually. No. they don't take it away like I misplace it. Oh, he was on the hood of my car, so Oh. At least you didn't drive away. That's good drive. Yeah. Yeah. But, I found myself to be a lot more productive in school. Didn't cell phone. Yeah. Personally. Yeah. it's just a lot more productive now.'cause if free periods are study time, I can't have my phone out. it forces me into doing my homework. Yeah. So good thing. Yeah, both. Both like it. Good thing. I like it. You like it? I like it. And how does it work? Do you show up and you have to put in your locker or how do they force it. Is it honor system kind of thing? They say it's supposed to be in your locker, in your car and not in your backpack or your. Pocket, but Okay. Nobody really falls that it's usually in people's backpacks or wherever else. And do you look over and see people pull their phone out? Usually in the bathroom. Got it. Got it. I am glad to hear it used to be like smoking was in the bathroom. Yeah. Now cell phone use in the bathroom. Yeah. I think it's great to hear though, that you're both finding it beneficial. Yeah, for sure. I'm sure some people are not happy about it. Yeah. So I think it's great that you're finding the positive of it. Yeah. making it work for you. Just lets you connect the people more as well. Yeah.'cause it forces you to talk to other people. yeah. build those skills. So on the topic of more school related, are there any specific classes that have really stuck out to you or, different content that you know, really felt like you taught you something valuable? yeah. I feel like a lot of the, like economics classes Yeah. Financial literacy and public speaking, those ones have stuck with me the most.'cause it's just those classes are the most applicable to after high school life. Yeah. So those ones I just feel are the most important. That makes sense. Yeah. Practical, the more practical classes that you're gonna take with you forever. For me, I think it was my pre-calc class my junior year because my teacher was. Teagan Garrin, who lives in Stowe is a phenomenal teacher and it really just helped me learn the way I learn and the way which is best for me. And that was really helpful as somebody who's struggled with learning and gaining information and academics in general. So I just really value what I learned in that class. Wow. Wasn't expecting to hear that topic. So good for you. Yeah, that's great. I, not too well in that class. Yeah, I know Teagan. He's a great, any other teachers that stand out? Ms. K and Y. Who's that? Ms. Krause. Ms. Krause? Yeah. I am in her room every single chance I can get. Every free period, every flex. I'm in her room doing something. She's just, I like her a lot. She's great. Yeah, she's great. I'd probably go Roger Murphy. You got, of course. Yeah. Legend. Legend. Yeah. Legend. Total legend. He's just like super personable, easy to connect with. And everything he says, he says with authority, if that makes sense. So it's it sticks with you, right? He said something. Yeah. He's helped a lot of kids. Yeah. Over the years. So he's at the high school when I was there. Oh yeah. Does he The one teaching financial literacy? Yeah, he does. He brought that into the school. Yeah. And all the internships. Yep. Does that too? Yeah, I did. I did an internship through him. Yeah, with Andrew Lansky. Oh, nice. For architecture, right? Yeah. Very cool. Good stuff. Yeah. So do you guys think you're ready for college, like school-wise or life-wise? How do you feel? Do you feel nervous about it or? Yeah. Yeah. I feel like especially I want to go. To Utah. So it's a little bit difficult. It's seven hours by plane. Yeah. So six hours. But, I am nervous because I've depended on my parents my whole life. And they've always been so close and I think I'll be okay. Yeah. I'm gonna use the lessons they've taught me. Yeah. To go forward. But what do you feel like they've taught you? Just how to be a good person. How to find connection, how to have a conversation, just. Normal things and that can take you so far. Absolutely. Yeah. I think college, I don't even know if I can tell if I'm ready or not, It's like you gotta cross that bridge when you get to it almost because it's such a different lifestyle. Yeah. And for me personally, I'm type one diabetic, so being able to manage that outside of my household and without my mom there, that would be a really unique challenge. Yeah, I remember going to college and I was how do you do laundry? I remember having to hit up some people in the dorm like, did you wash your sheets ever? I never wash my sheets. Lisa still makes fun of me for this. Yeah, that's just bring'em home at the end of the semester. You gotta wash'em. Yeah. No, it's a big transition, but, to your point, I think being a good person and the more connections you have will just, you'll make it a much easier process. And then if you ever do have those moments where you might need some help, you have that network of people. Yeah. So you mentioned playing lacrosse and you hockey and soccer. What was it like playing youth sports in STO and into high school? what was that experience like? it was definitely fun. That was like the biggest way to connect with my classmates was the sports that way it also helped me find myself and my interests, sports especially. just making sure I can figure out, whether I'm an athletic kinda kid or maybe not into that helps me find which sports I like and just helps me connect with my peers a lot more. For me, I played a lot of study youth hockey and. It's really interesting to see how, I was one of four girls on a 20 person team and now there are two girls teams for that age group, and it's just amazing. Wow. How much has changed in that time period, and I love it. That's pretty awesome. It's amazing. Yeah. I like, just for a sport, I love, I like I advocated for it and just to see how it's grown into such a, a pillar of the community, the STO arena and everything that comes out of, it's just amazing to see how it's grown. Yeah. sto iss such a small place. I know if you wanna play a sport, you can play a sport. In some towns you're trying out, or there's tv. here pretty much if you wanna play, you can play. Play. You can play, which is pretty cool. It's awesome, you know that you're on the team right away. And as Carter said, it allows kids to bond with their classmates or even kids outside of their grades. Yeah. Which is really important. So you're both skiers? Yeah. Are you both getting excited for skiing? You don't do the high school race team? Just skiing for fun. I tried it last year. Personally. That's wasn't a me thing. yeah. It didn't work for you. Yeah. They got the guns going up top. Guns are blazing. Yeah. Up at the mountain. Yeah. It's exciting. So Friday program, is that still going down? Yep. Every Friday, but except. Vail put in a thing to where now we have to pay for a new pass or pay to go do Friday program even if we have an epic pass, which is a little bit weird. Oh really? Yeah. That's hopefully just a small nominal thing. Yeah. But but back to the hockey. Are you better than your dad? Yeah, I believe that. Have you scored on your dad? Because he's now playing a little goalie. Oh, really? Oh yeah. He was playing goalie. I know. I never got to play on it when he played goalie. No. Have you stolen the puck from your dad? Definitely. that's not very hard. It's, that's not very tough. what's your best memory so far that you'll take from Still high. Anything stand out? That's such a big question. I'd just probably go with last year's lacrosse season as a whole. That was like the peak of That whole school year for me. Yeah. Because it was so much fun that year. I took a big step up from Nice. My skill in the game. Yeah. And then what position do you play? I play goalie. Oh. Oh, sick. That is not an easy position. No. Yeah, it's definitely rewarding though. Yeah. Good for you, man. Thanks. That's great. You think they give you a few more pads? I've always wondered that about lacrosse because you see that it's goalie because you see the indoor lacrosse and they're just it's like marshmallow man, and they see that. traditional lacrosse and it's, does it hurt? Yes. Yeah. I used to play goalie for women's lacrosse and you can't even play defense at women's lacrosse, so I just get pelted all game. It's quite bad. I guess that's really motivation to work on your stick skills, your coordination. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Of all. That's awesome. for me It had to be last winter, I got really close with a group of friends that we all just melded really well together. We'd hang out every weekend, even during the week. It was just so much fun. It was just great. I had such a good time. That's good. Those are the best memories. Yeah. The connections. What is something about high school you definitely will not miss. I think STO is just so small. yeah. It's gonna be nice meeting all the new people in college and finding branch so many different groups. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yep. Maybe the fact that everybody knows everything about everyone. the, as Carter said, there's, it's so small. Yeah. You can't tell anyone anything without it getting out. The gossip train. I'm curious, do you ever feel when you do go somewhere you see me or you see a parent or someone, is that cool, not cool? Is that, I wonder how feel like about just going wherever you go, you're gonna see somebody, a parent, another kid. That's fine. I just feel like,'cause it's so concentrated here Yeah. That it's, especially just in school specifically, it's You always hear about something going on. Yeah. I wonder if when you're a little kid, that's cool that you're feel safe. That wherever you go, there's gonna be a friend or a parent, someone's going to know you. And you feel nurturing and safe, but maybe as you get older it feels a little more constricting. You know what I'm saying? I know at the end of high school, for me, I was ready to. Get out. Get out. Yeah. Get outta the dodge. It stayed, I loved it, but it started to feel a little claustrophobic. This episode is sponsored by Edelweiss Mountain Deli located on the mountain Road. I know for me it is the perfect stopping point after day on the hill to grab my favorite Waitsfield sandwich and a cup of coffee, and for me grabbing my favorite Sweet Sensation bar. Whether you're looking for fresh Vermont pastries, farm to table prepared meals or local Vermont products to add your barbecue, make sure Edelweiss Mountain Deli is your next stop. When it comes to luxury real estate in Stowe Trust, Meg Kaufman of Land Vests, Christie's International Real Estate. Meg Kaufman knows the market inside and out. 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Just be more worldly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I've just done everything in Vermont. That's the biggest thing for me. Been there, done that. Yeah. Yeah. There's so much outdoorsy stuff to do, but then it's just after living here for 17 years I've done it all. Hike Pinnacle again. Yeah, Ski the Bruce Trail again. Yeah. Skied North Slope 500 times. Yep. So you mentioned, gonna school in Utah and Johns Hopkins. was it strictly an academic choice about choosing those schools location, how did that all come to be in, are there any other schools that you're also thinking about? for me, Utah wasn't really an academic choice. Okay. I think I could have reached a little farther if I would. We're like going to go to a school that was like the hardest school I could get into. Like it's not, yeah. As I said, it's not a reach, it's not the hardest school I can get into. But just, I toured there and the community and how it's run and just their architecture program is really great. The mountains, I'm 30 minutes away from snowboarding and Alta, it's just, it's beautiful out there. Amazing. Yeah, it's phenomenal. It's a great spot. It'll be easy to get home too. Salt Lake. You're right there. Yeah. Yeah. Hop on a plane. Yeah. Yeah. Johns Hopkins, for me, that was a largely academic choice.'cause I want to major in biomedical engineering and that's the best program in the country for that. Nice. it's just like the job security after. Yeah. Making those connections. That's really important to me as I try and find a good career and what I want to do. yeah. And you're still waiting to hear. From Johns Hopkins. Yeah, so those applications are due by January, so I'm gonna try and get those in as early as possible, but I'll probably hear back around March or April. Nice. Yeah. we'll be pulling for both of you. I know. Exactly. Thank you. It's very exciting. How do you think growing up in STO has prepared you or maybe not prepared you for the next step? Yeah. College life after college. since it's such a small place, I think it's definitely forced me to make connections with people.'cause I've grown up with them for so long, it just naturally happens. So that's helped a lot with that. Just the learning how to build connections, part of it. I feel though Stowe has such a limited amount of resources and things to do that it doesn't really Help, it didn't really help me figure out, what I want to do in college, Obviously I talked about my major, but outside of college or maybe as a career. Yeah. Is that kind of also what you're saying? Yeah, exactly. Okay. and when you say that, do you mean more the academic piece or jobs just being, or just broader? Being in a small town. kind of everything. Yeah, the academics for sure.'cause there's such a, select amount of classes to choose from outside of the core classes. And then, just the activities in general. there's probably some activities in major cities that I've just never done.'cause I've lived in STO my whole life and they might be my favorite thing ever, but I don't know. Good point. And you're wanna do architecture, right, Jackie? Yeah, I do. Yeah. So you got a whole portfolio put together that you're submitting, right? That's, yeah, I do. it's a challenging major. Yeah, no doubt about it. Yeah. I were you able to get that from sto? Yeah, I was. Okay. Andrew Lansky and Lansky Studios helped me get that from Sto Roger Murphy helped me set up an internship with him last year, and I did it from probably November until June I did it with him. And it was. Very helpful to help me see how a real architecture firm works and how to lay floor plans and everything like that. Wow. What a great experience. It was amazing. Exactly. I'm very thankful for it. What other things were you doing as part of the internship? he had me sit on in, on one or two client meetings and I, drew up floor plans, laid furniture down. Awesome. Looked at invoices and invoice sheets of what people wanted. building new houses and adding onto old ones, just everything. Wow. What a great experience. That's cool. You're probably ahead of the game. I hope so. And I did a, we're gonna go with that. That's excellent. And I did a architecture camp this summer at Norwich University. Awesome. Good for you. Nice. Let's talk about your generation. You guys are getting ready to. Go out into the real world here next year. What are you most proud of about your generation, do you think? probably, it's a hard question. just like our savviness with technology because that's becoming so important in the world right now and a lot of Gen Z has made their way into the tech world and figured out how to navigate it pretty easily. So probably that, yeah. Yeah, I would agree with Carter on that. And because it's, as he said, it's becoming such a big thing and such a, now such a major pillar in society. I think the way we use technology and the way we can figure out new ways to use it in the future could help humanity a lot, I believe. That's good. So are you using chat EPT tools a lot. A medium, a little. not for assignments or anything like that. If I want Good answer. Yeah. Although there are ways to use it. it could be helpful, right? It could be a tool. If used ethically, I I plug my emails into chat GBT and say can you keep the voice the same? Or does this email sound good? And they'll say yes, no. Yeah. Or can you change, can you keep the voice the same, but make this email feel better or whatever. Yeah. No. Could it help pick colleges? did anyone use it to tell pick like, Hey, here's who I am, here's what I'm into. Here's what's a good point. My mom did. She loves Chuck, mom, dad. I personally didn't use it for that, but it sounds like a good idea. Yeah. Yeah, it's a tool, right? And it's, I think it depends how you use it. Yeah. You can bounce ideas off it, right? That's really the benefit, right? You'd be like, Hey, this is what I'm thinking and how does this sound? And it can say, yeah, great. It usually tells you're great all the time. It's usually positive and happy. It doesn't like to tell you the bad. this bounces off Mike's question. what do you think is the biggest misunderstanding adults might have about your generation? probably that since we did a lot of the jobs that we have and the way we grew up, we didn't grow, grow up as industrious or doing as much hard labor as the older generations. So maybe the idea that we're almost weak in that sense. I just think that's a pretty big misunderstanding. Yeah. Yeah. I would say that we're lazy or non sociable because of our phones and what we do online. Yeah. I think I'm very social. I have a friend who lives, who lived in Poland. My best friend who used to live in Stowe. She moved there and I called with her almost every day. I feel like I'm extremely social, even if it's behind a screen, which is different. But it's, I can communicate with everyone. Okay. Anyone I could want to in the entire world. Yeah. I find even my own kids, they're 24 and 22. They of course use their phones a lot, but they can also put it down. Yeah. And just hang out with their friends, they weren't as glued to it all the time. Yeah. Do you think you have a good handle on managing phone? Not phone. if you go to dinner with your friend or you both just sitting there on your phones or you talking to each other and hanging out, I think I've gotten a lot better at managing my phone usage. Yeah. Just based on my dad and my dad, you know how he put the phone down. Yes. All the time. So I think it's, I monitor myself pretty well now. Yeah, and maybe once you use it enough, you're all right, that's enough of that. I just want a break from it probably too. Yeah. I mean there's, you can't get that much entertainment outta your phone after a certain amount of time. That's a good point. Yeah. Runs its course, Yeah. Great. I'm on my 50th webpage now. Maybe that 51st will really get me what I'm looking for. All right. Do a little rapid fire questions. Let's do it. All right. We're going into the rapid fire round here. You're on the hot seat, so I'm ready. So it's rapid fire, this or that style? you can both answer. All right. Yeah, we do Jackie first. Okay. All right. Winter or summer in snow? Winter. Summer. Ah, okay. Alright. We've got one of each. Nice. The woods or the terrain park. Woods. Woods. Alright. TikTok or Instagram? Instagram. Instagram. Oh, that was a surprise. I've never been on TikTok. I just thought TikTok was all the rage. It's not as entertaining as Instagram, not as entertaining as Instagram. Surprising, yeah. Small town life or big city buzz. Small town. Big city. Skiing or hockey. I was directed at Jackie too. no pressure here. Dad's not last. Oh, that's a hard question. It's the same. It's rapid fire. Jackie. Rapid Fire. I don't know. We'll go with hockey'cause I play it the most. All right. Alright. I've never played hockey. Yeah, I That was really for Jackie. Makes sense. All right. this should be a good one. Ski date or dinner date. my boyfriend can't ski, so I guess dinner. I didn't know that. I didn't know that before I started dating him. Don't worry. Dated a non skiing. I know. That's what my dad said. I go, oh, so you decided to ski? And he goes, oh, I don't ski. I was like, what? Does he play hockey? No, he plays soccer. All that's cool. All around. But he's a great guy. He's a great guy. Yeah. At dinner day, just face to face. There you go. Nice. Nice. All right. What's the dating move? Dm snap, or casually meet on the ski lift? Snap. Probably. ideally on a ski chairlift. Yeah. Actually get to know somebody, right? Yeah. Chairlift talk or hallway gossip. I feel like hallway talk is more shallow. I'm gonna say chairlift talk. Yeah. A little more depth to it maybe. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Chairlift talk for sure. Yeah. Okay. All right. Would you rather wipe out under the quad during Friday program? Oh God. With all your friends watching or get stuck behind a leaf paper driving 15 miles an hour down Mountain Road when you're late for school. I am late for school every day, so I'm picking the lead keeper. I probably wiping out, I just think it would be really funny, like you can laugh that out. A good, a good old fashioned yard sale. Oh. Especially when everyone you know is on the left. that's something. This is a good one. Dunking or Starbucks, probably Starbucks. Yeah. I'll go Starbucks. is that all the rage with the high school kids? Is that Some part of me thinks none of our high school kids rage a lot about anything. Okay. For some reason it's everyone's they're just like whatever. Yeah. Basically it stows a bunch of people who say whatever all the time. Like we Starbucks was all the rage. Okay. Definitely for the middle schoolers. Yeah, I was saying my niece is in middle school and I know she's just all about it every day, all about it. My sister's all about it too. What did you get there? those juice, the cake pops, the acai, whatever the hell. A ton of just sugary stuff. Who's funding that? Who's funding the stock? Awesome. I don't know where she keeps getting money from. Reese, bro. All right, so Starbucks, that sounds as opposed to, sounds like Starbucks, at least you could sit down too, Yeah, exactly. Not really seeding it. All right. Next one. Study group or solo cram. Solo cram. I wanna say study group, but I've never cut anything done and study group turns into something. Yeah. Completely different. Real quick. Yeah, totally. It's. I agree with that. Hoodie or flannel? Hoodie. Hoodie. Yeah. All right. Best place INow to poach a hot tub. Does Van listen to this? Does VA listen? No, nobody. Nobody listens to this. Just us hot tubs. Hot tubs at the Stone Mount Resort. Yeah. Yeah, that's the spot. Oh, that is the spot? Yes. Okay. That's the go-to. Where'd we go? We go to the Town and Country. Back when it was. Yeah. Oh yeah. When the Marins owned it. notch Brook too. Ooh, notch Brook. I never thought of that. That was Poach City. What about the new place on Mountain Road? The, outbound. Oh, right across from Katy Hill that I would this summer drive by there and it's packed with Oh yeah. Looks like kids your age. It's they do a Monday, locals only day where locals get in for free. Yeah. So you don't even have to poach it. Yeah, exactly. Alright. Thank you. for the rapid fire. We, We are now done with that and we're just gonna talk a little bit about just sto in general. the town, the future. How would you describe Stowe to someone that's never been here, knows nothing about it, or to a kid your age? Let's say a family was gonna move here and you were talking to their son or daughter About high school. How would you describe it? Stoke of the town, I would say just. Like a hallmark town, like you see it on the back of a Christmas card. For, or like on the back of some sort of postcard, greeting card, foliage card or whatever. and for high school, I would just say it's just so small. And every single person in your grade, these kids in Massachusetts, like Elliot, I don't know how many kids he has in his grade. Probably 200. We have 50. Yeah. Just. So I was just limiting. Yeah. Yeah. it's not a word, but touristy for sure, as to describe the town in general. it's tourist everywhere basically all the time. Yeah. Yeah. It's, and that's changed. That's, you know, except, I guess maybe right now. Yeah. Early November, or even still here, I was in town. Really? Still here. Wow. Didn't go to town today. Nothing to see here. Go home. I know. Please go home. But it's a good point though. it's very unique. not every town is a tourist town and it brings its pros and cons for sure. Do you think it's changed, you've been here 10 years? Yes. You've been here your whole life. Do you think it's changed? For sure. You do? I think it changed when Vale bought sto. You think it changed then significantly? Yes.'cause they started. advertising for it and commercializing it a little bit, and it brought in more people because of that. It wasn't just a small, little family owned mountain anymore. It was suddenly this big thing, this new veil Mount Mansfield resort and now. There's just so many people. So the word got out, you think when they bought it? Yes. How about you, Carter? Yeah. it's so commercialized now. Fail that like publicizing, the introduction to Starbucks as Right on Ha street, right? All the chains are starting to come in slowly but surely. Yeah. Yep. what's one thing you'll always love about growing up in S. it was just so inclusive. I spent so much time here and I've gotten to know everyone. I'm friends with everyone, to a degree, On at big schools, I wouldn't be able to connect with some people, but I know everyone. yeah. Yeah. I'd say the connections sense of community. Yeah. Yeah. I feel very safe here. I grew up in San Francisco. Oh, okay. And you feel like you're walking down the street, you know no one. Yeah. But even in where I lived in Alameda, which is. An island across the bay. From there, you just feel you, you are walking down the street, you don't know the person next to you, But you know everyone here. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, like you both talked about that one thing that you both love about Stowe, the small community, the safety, at the same time you've had a lot of it and you're ready for new chapter, Yep. Yeah. No, it's definitely a positive and I had the same experience growing up. it, it is unique just driving down the street or when you walk into school or just gonna a store knowing everybody. it's a cool feeling. Yeah. Especially this time of the year. I like, I eventually came back after a while away. Yeah. Ted's a boomer right here. I was like, I'm ready to come back. Ted's a boomer here. It's good to be back. What would be one store or restaurant you'd love to see come to Stowe? Oh, chain something. You're like, oh, we need one of those. I'm gonna have you answer that too. Okay. After they do chilies. Chilies, I love chilies. Awesome. Funny thing for us, like when you go away, you're like, oh, I can't wait to go there. Chick like, Chick-fil-A. Chick-fil-A chilies. How about choice's? Pretty good. Oh, Chick-fil-A. Chick-fil-A one. Really nice fast food spot. Yeah, there used to be a McDonald's still. Yeah. Yeah. Sushi Yoshi used to be a McDonald's back in the day. Yeah, back the day. I don't really have one, I don't think. I'm trying to think. Taco Bells pretty awesome. Taco Bell. Oh my gosh. I was think an Inn Out. Burger Inn Out. I changed my answer to Inn Out, but there's none on the East Coast anyway, so that'd be a, that'd be a stretch. Whenever I go back home to San Francisco, I always get in and out with my family. Yeah. So good. What about a store, like a Lululemon store? Would that be cool for you or not really? no. Let me see. What are the other kids stores? Abercrombie and Fitch. Is that popular? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, they're back called Garage. That's back now. Garage. We have a Brandy Melville in Burlington. Yeah. Brandy Melville. aia. Yeah. There's an h and m in Burlington clothing store for me. I'd say the Brandy's pretty nice. Yeah. Having the brandy here. Yeah. probably a Nike store. Yeah.'cause it's got the clothes, it's got shoes, it's got all the sports stuff with it too. That'd be cool. So it'll have everything. That would be good. I didn't know Abercrombie and Fitch that, that's back now because they were popular when I was growing up and I feel like they disappeared. I would say they're decently popular now. Yeah. Or Yeah. American Eagle was big American Eagle. Yeah. They have one of those in the Burlington Mall. Yeah. I was in Boston a few weeks ago. They had indoor put pott Kind of new wave. Indoor T Oh, like indoor mini golfers. the ball keeps track of the score. Oh, what? Yeah, the ball keeps track of the score. And if you get it in these, that's awesome. Specialized pockets. You get all these bonus points. That's a great idea. Yeah. With a bar. That would be cool. Here. I usually don't like mini golf'cause my dad always cheats, so this would be good for my family. I think probably an REI. Would be cool. we have our ski shops, we have a lot of outdoor shops already. We ski shops though. yeah. if you really, if you're oh, I'm going camping for a week. Oh yeah, you can't, Oh, trade camping supplies, things like that. Trader Joe's, I think would also be a really good one. Trade. I love Trader Joe's. It's great. Got some ideas there. Nice. I like the REI because especially with ski gear, camping gear, everything around here. Exactly. You gotta go all the way to Burlington and back for that. That's what I'm saying. What about an Apple store? I can imagine in OW downtown sto a big Apple store, it would die so quick. Are you gonna sell 200 iPhones? Then? What? You got? Everyone's got, everyone's done. Everyone's done. Nobody's coming here to buy an iPhone. Yeah, exactly. What would you say is your hope for OW in the next 10 years? you're both heading out, but just as you reflect back on your time here, you've identified things you like, challenges, what would you say is your hope for the town in the next 10 years? I would say, I think it's redundant to say that it's gonna stay the same. But I don't want it to become almost, I don't want it to become like a veil. Like I want it to stay. It's not a hidden gem anymore, I wouldn't say, but I just want it to. Not get more commercialized. yeah.'cause it's you go to some of those other places, they're still beautiful, but it's you look on the side of the road, there's trash and stuff like that. On my drive here, there's nothing. It's clean, it's beautiful. It's safe. I'd like to have it stay that way and maintain that sense of community. Yes, definitely what you're saying. Okay. Yeah. just I hope it stays golden, Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Keep it real. All right, we ask all of our guests this question. This might be hard for you guys, but, if Stowe did not exist and you are out on your own, there's no such thing as Stow Vermont, where else in the world would you be living or want to live? In the whole world? In the whole world, you get to pick sto doesn't exist Oyster. Dream. Dream life. Tahoe, California. Like Tahoe. Tahoe. Yeah. I lived out there for a year and a half. I like Tahoe, sunshine, mountains, snow, lot of snow. We're somewhere on the Oregon coast. Ooh. Good choices. Yeah. I love Montreal. That's been one of my favorite cities. Cool. Forever. Great choice. Hobs fan. Yep. Unfortunately, hos fan. All right. You got Hobs fan. That's all right. closest point and left city. It's true point. Alright. Thank you so much for coming on. Really appreciate it. Thanks guys. That was fun. Thank you for having us. Thank you. All right. Hope you enjoyed that episode of the Octagon Podcast. Remember to like us on Instagram and subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. See you next time.